Dr. Royal Raymond Rife Deposition
The People of the State of
John Marsh, Lallas Bateson, and
Deposition of Royal R. Rife
Taken in the city of Tijuana, Baja
California, Republic of Mexico
March 7, 1961
1. Quest: Please state your name?
Ans: Royal Raymond Rife
2. Quest: Where do you now reside?
Ans: As a tourist in Tijuana
3. Quest: Is it your intention to
attend as a witness at the trial of this action?
4. Quest: Are you the same Royal
R. Rife who invented the system of killing or de-activating pathogenic organisms
by electronic waves or frequencies produced by instruments similar to those made
by Mr. John Crane, one of the Defendants in this case?
5. Quest: If so, when did you
begin your experimental work on this system?
6. Quest: How long a period did
your work cover, in developing the device and the techniques of its use?
Ans: From 1920 to the present time
- 40 years and development is still continuing.
7. Quest: What is the basic theory
upon which you sought to find a means of killing pathogenic organisms?
Ans: The theory of coordinative
resonance with frequencies which I proved would kill microorganisms by electron
transfer and internal stresses of pathogenic cells owing to electromagnetic and
8. Quest: What kinds of pathogenic
organisms did you study, in these experiments?
Ans: Tetanus, typhoid, gonorrhea,
syphilis, staphylococci, pneumonia, streptothrix, streptococci, tuberculosis,
sarcoma, carcinoma, leprosy, polio, cholera, actinomycosis, glanders, bubonic
plague, anthrax, influenza, herpes, cataracts, glaucoma, colitis, sinus, ulcers
and many other virus bacteria and fungi.
9. Quest: From what sources were
these organisms obtained?
Ans: The Hooper Foundation,
Paradise Valley Sanitarium, from Northwestern Medical University in Chicago,
from the Mayo Clinic, and from many medical doctors.
10. Quest: What sort of laboratory
facilities did you have, for use in these experiments?
Ans: I had one of the best
privately equipped laboratories in the world complete with a million volt x-ray,
frequency instruments, electronic test equipment, precision lathes, mills, drill
presses, shaper and all equipment necessary to make instruments, microscopes,
glass blowing, and a surgical room for animals with sterilizers of the steam
type and a pathology room complete with microscopes of all types virus
microscopes which I had designed and built for the isolation of cancer virus,
T.B. virus, typhoid virus and many other virus. I had a stop motion microscope
set up for the life study of microorganisms from the cradle to the grave. I had
animals in cages in the basement with facilities for 1000 animals. The Rife
Research Laboratory was air conditioned and humidity controlled to one tenth of
11. Quest: Where was your
Ans: On Alcott Street across from
the Bridges Mansion in Point Loma
12. Quest: Did you study viruses,
among other pathogenic organisms?
13. Quest: Were any special
instruments required for your study of viruses?
14. Quest: What were they?
Ans: Prismatic virus microscopes
and Berkefelt porcelain filters, a micromanipulator and electronic test
instruments and frequency instruments.
15. Quest: Were all of these
obtainable from ordinary commercial sources?
Ans: No - I could not buy them on
the open market and they are still not obtainable even today.
16. Quest: If some were not
obtainable from ordinary commercial sources, how did you obtain them?
Ans: I had to design and build
these instruments to accomplish what I wanted to attain with my research.
17. Quest: Who designed these?
Ans: I designed them.
18. Quest: Where were they made?
Ans: In the Rife Research
19. Quest: Describe these special
instruments for us.
Ans: The universal microscope was
described and published by the journal of the Franklin Institute. Time does not
permit me to describe all of the many instruments that I designed and
constructed. The micromanipulator was used to dissect and operate on cells. The
spectrometer was used to measure the angles of crystals, the frequency
instruments were used to kill bacteria, virus, and fungi, the microscopes of the
prismatic virus type were used to study living virus, bacteria, and fungi, a
petrographical micropolariscope was used to analyze chemicals and color
frequencies with polarized light, special rare gas glass contained atmospheres
were used to provide ionized radiation to transmit energy to increase virulence
and to devitalize all microorganisms as desired.
20. Quest: Which pathogenic
organisms did you study in virus form?
Ans: Cancer virus, typhoid virus,
tuberculosis virus, herpes virus, B-coli virus, poliomyelitis virus, and about
40 other virus that have never been isolated before.
21. Quest: How did you obtain
Ans: From pure cultures of known
and medical diagnosed tissue of human disease filtered through porcelain
22. Quest: Describe your
experiments by which you isolated these viruses.
Ans: After the filtered form was
obtained, a micropipette is used to place a drop of the fluid on a slide. This
slide is placed on the microscope stage of any of the five virus microscopes
that I designed and built. A special risely prism which works on a counter
rotation principle selects a portion of the light frequency which illuminates
these virus in their own characteristic chemical colors by emission of
coordinative light frequency and the virus become readily identifiable by the
colors revealed on observation. 8,000 to 17,000x magnification is sufficient to
see them. Before building the virus prismatic microscopes, I sectioned over
15,000 slides trying all types of acid and aniline dye stains with no results
over a period of ten years.
23. Quest: How did you determine
whether these viruses were pathogenic?
Ans: By animal test and from known
sources and by microscope examination which reveals the true identity of
microorganisms to the trained observer.
24. Quest: Describe your
experiments made to prove that these viruses were pathogenic.
Ans: On one series of cancer
tests, I inoculated the virus which I had isolated and filtered from an
unulcerated breast mass into an albino rat, the tumor was allowed to grow and
then I surgically removed the tumor and again isolated and filtered the virus
from a portion of the ground up tumor and inoculated the next rat and repeated
this procedure 411 times to prove that this virus was the causative agent of
cancer. Tests on many other diseases such as those previously mentioned are too
numerous to even start on at this time.
25. Quest: About how long a period
of time did your work/study of these viruses, and proof of their pathogenic
Ans: 15 years on virus only.
26. Quest: Did you also study
bacterial forms of pathogenic organisms associated with these viruses?
27. Quest: Did you find whether
some bacteria were capable of releasing a form of virus?
Ans: Yes. Virus are released from
bacteria just as a chicken lays an egg.
28. Quest: How did you determine
Ans: By virus observation and cell
study and virus photographs which I made and one which John Crane made from a
film of cancer virus which has been copyrighted.
29. Quest: What are some of the
bacteria which you found to be capable of releasing a form of virus?
Ans: Bacillus coli, tuberculosis,
typhoid, and many others.
30. Quest: Were certain kinds of
culture media better suited than others to the study of the relationship between
the bacteria and virus forms?
Ans: A media developed by Arthur
I. Kendall known as K media proved superior to other types of bacteria media.
31. Quest: If so, why, or in what
way, were some culture media superior to others for this purpose?
Ans: Because of the results
32. Quest: Were any physicians or
scientists associated with you in any of these studies?
33. Quest: Who were they?
Ans: Milbank Johnson, M.D., Arthur
I. Kendall, Ph.D., E.C. Rosenow, M.D., Coolidge of General Electric, O.C.
Grunner, M.D., Henry Seiner, Dr. Copp, M.D., Alvin G. Foord, M.D., Ernest
Lynwood Walker, M.D., and Karl Meyer, M.D., of the Hooper Foundation of San
Francisco, George Dock, M.D., Waylen Morrison, M.D., Dr. Fischer, M.D., Verne
Thompson, Ben Cullen, Ray Lounsberry, M.D., James B. Couche, M.D., Charles F.
Tully, D.D.S., Arthur Yale, M.D., R.T. Hammer, M.D., John Crane, David Sawyer,
Don Tully, J. Heitger, M.D., Royal Lee, Ph.D., T.O. Berger, M.D., Alice Kendall,
and many others.
34. Quest: Where did they work
Ans: Work was conducted in various
laboratories, offices, and buildings in San Diego and in the United States. I
traveled all over the world and many doctors and scientists and executives
visited me at my various laboratories including the Rife Research Laboratory,
the Point Loma Lab set up at Dr. Tully’s, the Rife Virus Microscope Institute,
and another microscope and dark room facility at San Diego, and I furnished free
of charge to the police crime laboratory thousands of dollars worth of
chemicals, precision instruments, electronic instruments, and training in
microscope techniques and laboratory diagnosis and other equipment and glassware
after I closed the Rife Research Laboratory in 1946. Another laboratory for
research work on seawater conversion was set up and used at the foot of Canyon
Street in Point Loma.
35. Quest: What part did they have
in any of these experiments or studies?
Ans: Initially the work and the
origin was developed under my control and guidance. Later, their work became an
interest of collaboration and observation of the results attained. Initially I
worked with loose couplers to get an audio oscillation and then with the use of
transmitters, I tried to balance the audio and modulate the audio on a carrier
wave to transmit the audio energy but I found that both the audio and the audio
transmitted through a tube as an antenna worked equally as well in a painless
and harmless method to human tissue. Coolidge furnished many tubes. Milbank
Johnson, a multi-millionaire, set up and supervised three human research
clinics. The first clinic was set up under a special medical research committee
of the University of Southern California with Dr. Rufus B. Von Klein Smidt on
the committee in the home of Ellen Scripps in La Jolla in 1934. Johnson selected
outstanding doctors to aid us in the clinical work such as Docks, Morrison,
Foord, Meyer, Kendall, Rosenow, Fisher of the Children’s Hospital in New York,
and others helping or observing were Heitger, Lounsberry, Copp, Alice Kendall,
Henry Seiner, Grunner, Berger, Hammer, Couche, Yale, and Cullen. Walker and I
studied leprosy and I isolated a virus which we jointly demonstrated was common
to rat, and soil, and human leprosy and I found a frequency which would
eliminate leprosy. Dr. Gonin, M.D., visited me and I sent Henry Seiner to
demonstrate a virus microscope in England to the medical profession there. Alice
Kendall worked for me in the lab and so did Henry Seiner and others. From 1950
and on, John Crane has continued on with this research. The others were visitors
and interested parties. Many others have aided in promotion of this research and
the AMA has suppressed all effort and research knowledge of my developments.
36. Quest: Did you grow bacteria
and viruses in various culture media?
37. Quest: How did you determine
what they were?
Ans: They can be readily diagnosed
by their own true colors which are emitted when placed in any of the five virus
microscopes that I designed and built for this virus identification and study.
38. Quest: What study and
experience did you have in the science of optics, before commencing these
Ans: I studied for 6 years with
Hans Luckel who was Karl Zeiss’s optical scientist and researcher. I also made
all the photomicrographs for the Atlas of Parasites which was done at the
University of Heidelberg. I also studied eye surgery for two years.
39. Quest: Over about what period
of time had you made such study and gained this experience?
Ans: Nine years before commencing
on my own research.
40. Quest: Did you find ordinary
microscopes, such as are obtainable from commercial sources, adequate for the
study of these viruses?
41. Quest: In what ways were they
Ans: They have insufficient power,
poor detail and definition, and poor resolution and cannot illuminate the virus
with selected frequency or frequencies of monochromatic beam light which is
required to see virus. Control of the light is very important.
42. Quest: What type of microscope
did you find necessary to complete your study of these viruses?
Ans: Prismatic virus microscopes
which I designed and built for virus study and research only. I have never tried
to commercialize on these instruments. They were offered to Bausch and Lomb but
they couldn’t justify the cost of tooling to build these complex instruments and
the doctors could not afford to buy them either because they would have been too
expensive for the average laboratory to even consider.
43. Quest: In what ways did they
differ from the commercially available types?
Ans: In the barrel were prisms
which transmitted the light. The stage had to be level and a series of condenser
lenses between the patented microscope lamp of mine and the risely prism were
located below the stage. Special lens spacings were important to compensate for
the extra long tube length of 220 and 440 mm and a higher degree of accuracy in
stage adjustment was provided. In the Universal microscope - seven turns of the
dial move the object under study one micron; slit ultra illumination was also
44. Quest: Did you obtain the kind
of special microscopes you found to be necessary?
45. Quest: How did you obtain
Ans: I built many and I purchased
some and had them built to my specifications.
46. Quest: What types were they?
Ans: Standard research types,
prismatic virus types, crystallographic, petrographical-micropolariscope,
polarized, and historical types.
47. Quest: What did these special
microscopes do which the commercially available types would not do as well?
Ans: Show virus and allow us to
study them alive and identify them as virus and allow us to diagnose them as to
the disease of which they caused and were associated.
48. Quest: What is necessary, in
order to make bacteria and viruses visible under the microscope?
Ans: First there must be high
enough power to enable the observer to see them and second they must be
identified by a frequency of light which coordinates with the chemical
constituents of the virus or filterable form in question. To my knowledge there
is only one instrument today which will even show these virus and that is the
Rife Prismatic Virus Microscope which I built for this work. The electron
microscope is a useless device for this study because the virus are killed
instantly and you don’t know what form you are seeing them in and they generally
appear as round balls of dried up chemical particles.
49. Quest: What different methods
of staining bacteria and viruses are in common use?
Ans: Acid and analine dye stains
of many formula are commercially available.
50. Quest: Did you find these
common methods of staining sufficient for the experiments you performed?
51. Quest: If not, what were their
Ans: They would not show the
flagella, or the virus.
52. Quest: Did you devise another
method of staining or making visible bacteria and viruses?
53. Quest: What was this method?
Ans: I had devised a stain with
alfalfa hay and mercury for flagella on B-coli and typhoid to count their
concentration. Virus were made visible for the first time with a variable light
frequency controlled by a risely prism of a counter rotating nature, and iris
diaphragm, condenser lenses and other features previously mentioned.
54. Quest: Explain how it was
Ans: By rotation and variable
monochromatic beam adjustment of the Rife Prismatic Virus Microscopes.
55. Quest: How did you obtain the
instruments necessary to do this?
Ans: I built them in my research
laboratory. Which is shown in the movies that John Crane has at RVMI (Rife Virus
56. Quest: What study and
experience have you had in the science of bacteriology?
Ans: I studied bacteriology at
John Hopkins University and the University of Heidelberg and in my own research
57. Quest: Over about what period
of time did you get this study and experience?
Ans: 40 years
58. Quest: Besides studying
bacteria and viruses growing in culture media, did you also make any study of
their effects upon laboratory animals inoculated with such bacteria or viruses?
59. Quest: What kinds of animals
were used in such experiments?
Ans: Albino rats, guinea pigs,
rabbits. I had about 800 rats which were used constantly.
60. Quest: Where were such
Ans: In the Rife Research
Laboratory in Point Loma.
61. Quest: Under whose direction?
Ans: Under my direction.
62. Quest: Did any other
scientists or physicians assist you in any of these studies of inoculated
Ans: No, but I had men that worked
for me and helped me.
63. Quest: Did any other
scientists observe, without actually assisting, any of these studies or
64. Quest: Who were they?
Ans: Dr. Kendall, Grunner,
Johnson, Couche, Copp, Lounsberry, Berger, Seiner, Cullen, Foord, Rosenow, Karl
Meyer, Walker, and others as stated before.
65. Quest: What part did they take
in such studies?
Ans: By bringing cancer tissue,
collaborating results, by using the virus microscopes and observing my results
and observations, by growing virus and by conducting clinical tests on virus,
bacteria and fungi on cultures and human cases or patients for their own
research and knowledge.
66. Quest: As a result of such
studies, did you and Dr. Arthur I. Kendall publish a report of some of your
experiments or studies of filterable forms of bacillus typhus?
67. Quest: Was this report
published in “California and Western Medicines”, the Journal of the California
Medical Association, in the December, 1931, issue?
68. Quest: Is this a copy of the
article? (Attached as defendant’s exhibit)
69. Quest: Was this Dr. Arthur
Isaac Kendall, Ph.D., at that time the Director of Medical Research of
Northwestern University Medical School?
70. Quest: In July, 1932, did you
continue some of this study of bacteria and viruses with Dr. Arthur Isaac
Kendall in his laboratory at Northwestern University Medical School?
71. Quest: At that time, did Dr.
E.O. Rosenow, M.D., of the Division of Experimental Bacteriology of the Mayo
Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota, observe some of this study made at Northwestern
University Medical School, in Dr. Kendall’s laboratory?
72. Quest: Did Dr. Rosenow publish
a report of this study in the July, 1932, issue of the Mayo Clinic Bulletin?
73. Quest: Is this a copy of this
publication of Dr. Rosenow’s article? (Attached as defendant’s exhibit B)
74. Quest: About when did you
begin your experiments in the effect of electronic frequencies upon bacteria and
75. Quest: How did you obtain the
device or mechanism used to generate such frequencies?
Ans: Some coils I wound myself.
Other parts I purchased.
76. Quest: How did you determine
whether particular frequencies had any effect upon bacteria or viruses?
Ans: By observation with bacteria
and virus under the Rife Virus Prismatic Microscope in conjunction with the
application of electronic energy.
77. Quest: Were you able to kill
or de-activate any bacteria or viruses by the application to them of electronic
currents or rays?
78. Quest: Can you name some of
the bacteria and viruses which you were able to kill or to de-activate by such
Ans: Tetanus, typhoid, gonorrhea,
treponema pallidum, staphylococci, pneumonia, streptothrix, bacillus coli,
tuberculosis, streptococci, sarcoma, carcinoma, and many others. And it was
found that by using combinations of these frequencies for the different
microorganisms that many other diseases could be helped like sinus, ulcers,
cataract, arthritis, poliomyelitis, etc.
79. Quest: Is there a distinction
between the terms “kill” and “de-activate” as you have used them? That is to
say, were any of these viruses or bacteria deprived of their virulent activity
without having to completely kill them?
Ans: Yes. On some research it was
found that after transfer to another media no further reproduction would occur.
80. Quest: After treatment of
viruses or bacteria by the application to them of certain electronic currents or
rays, as you have mentioned, was there ever any change in the appearance of such
bacteria or viruses as seen under your microscope? If so, describe it.
Ans: Yes. Some types will explode
or disintegrate and some will gather together like log jams or agluetinate.
81. Quest: Were you acquainted
with Dr. Milbank Johnson, M.D., during this period?
82. Quest: Did he participate in
any of your experiments or studies on the effect of electronic frequencies upon
bacteria and viruses?
83. Quest: Did he participate in
any of your experiments or studies on the effect of these electronic frequencies
upon laboratory animals which had been inoculated with various diseases?
84. Quest: Did you furnish one of
your electronic frequency-generators to Dr. Milbank Johnson for his use?
85. Quest: Over about what period
of time did he use it?
Ans: 8 years
86. Quest: Where did he make use
Ans: In the Sante Fe Hospital in
Los Angeles and a private clinic in Pasadena.
87. Quest: Was this electronic
frequency-generator used by him or under his direction in the treatment of
disease of human patients?
88. Quest: Did he report to you
the results of these treatments?
89. Quest: Did you observe the
giving of any of these treatments?
90. Quest: Did you observe the
results of these treatments?
91. Quest: What changes did you
observe in the condition of any of the patients so treated by Dr. Milbank
Johnson with the instrument you had furnished to him? Describe them in detail?
Ans: I observed some cataract
92. Quest: During the period of
time when Dr. Milbank Johnson was so using your electronic frequency-generator,
were you acquainted with Dr. James B. Couche, M.D. (now deceased)?
93. Quest: Did Dr. James B. Couche
participate in the work of Dr. Milbank Johnson in the treatment of human
patients with the frequency-generator?
94. Quest: Did you furnish Dr.
James B. Couche, M.D., with one of your electronic frequency-generators for his
Ans: Yes. The Beam Ray Corporation
built two instruments for Dr. Couche.
95. Quest: When did Dr. Milbank
96. Quest: Was the work of Dr.
Milbank Johnson in treating human patients with your frequency-generator
continued after his death?
97. Quest: Did Dr. James B. Couche
continue to use the frequency-generator which you had furnished to him? If so,
until about what date?
Ans: Yes until he died in 1959.
98. Quest: About when did Dr.
James B. Couche die?
Ans: In the spring of 1959.
99. Quest: Did Dr. James B. Couche
report to you the results of his use of your electronic frequency-generator?
100. Quest: Did you observe any of
the treatments given by Dr. James B. Couche with your frequency-generator?
101. Quest: Did you observe the
results of any treatments given by Dr. James B. Couche with your
102. Quest: What changes did you
observe in the condition of any of the human patients who had been so treated
with your frequency-generator by Dr. James B. Couche?
Ans: I saw cancer and tuberculosis
cases that had completely recovered. I saw Dr. Couche’s brother who had come
over from England. He had a 30 year sinus condition with terrible drainage. Dr.
Couche used the frequency instrument on him and he was well in three weeks. Dr.
Couche had treated Dr. Hamer, M.D., for a sinus condition which cleared up. Dr.
Couche had treated Dr. Butterfield, M.D.’s brother-in-law who had a stiff wrist
* a tuberculosis of the bone which cleared up. Also I saw a Mexican boy who had
osteomyelitis of the bone which Dr. Couche cleared up with the frequency
instrument. I saw George Lemm, being treated by Dr. Couche for tuberculosis and
he had come out from Chicago to die. He was sent from the Vulclain Home. As soon
as they found out that Couche was getting results, they tried to get all of
their patients back but Lemm said no that he was going to finish up with Couche
and he completely recovered.
103. Quest: Did you furnish Dr.
Arthur W. Yale, M.D., (now deceased) with one of your electronic
frequency-generators? If so, about when?
Ans: Yes. He had ordered an
instrument from the Beam Ray Corporation in 1937.
104. Quest: Did Dr. Arthur W. Yale
furnish you with any reports of the results of his treatments of human patients
with your electronic frequency-generator device?
105. Quest: Did you observe any of
the treatments given by Dr. Arthur W. Yale?
106. Quest: Did you observe the
condition of any of Dr. Arthur W. Yale’s patients after they had been treated by
him with your electronic frequency-generator? If so, what change, if any, in
their condition did you observe?
Ans: Yes. They completely
recovered from syphilis, cancer, tuberculosis, and many other infections.
107. Quest: Did you perform any
experiments on laboratory animals which had been inoculated with any diseases,
to determine the effect upon such animals of treatment with your electronic
108. Quest: What kinds of animals
did you use?
Ans: Albino rats, rabbits, guinea
109. Quest: With what diseases
were these animals inoculated?
Ans: Sarcoma, carcinoma,
tuberculosis, typhoid, etc.
110. Quest: Were any of these
animals inoculated with cancer in any form?
111. Quest: Describe in detail the
experiments you made to determine the effect upon these animals of treatment
with your electronic frequency-generator.
Ans: Before the animal was
inoculated a quarantine period of two weeks was observed with stool analysis and
metabolism check-up made to be sure that the animal was free of disease and in
good health. On one series of cancer tests, I inoculated the cancer virus that I
isolated from an unulcerated human breast mass into an albino rat and grew the
tumor. I surgically removed this tumor and again isolated the virus and
inoculated the next rat. I did this 411 times on one series of tests to prove
that the BX or the virus which I had isolated was in reality the causative agent
of cancer. This procedure is shown in a documentary film which John Crane has of
this work and it also shows the virus of cancer before and after devitalization
with a Rife frequency instrument. An air bubble is shown coming into the cover
slip because I had not sealed it. We also did a great deal of work on
tuberculosis with animals and proved that the rod form and the virus form must
both be devitalized to attain results which requires two frequencies, one for
each form before recovery can occur. The treatment for all of the diseases
proved successful and hundreds of tests were conducted on each disease with
adequate controls before the critical frequencies were established.
112. Quest: Did you compare the
subsequent condition of the animals so treated with your frequency-generator
with the condition of “control” animals which had been inoculated with disease
but not treated with your frequency-generator? If so, describe the difference,
if any, which you observed in their condition.
Ans: Yes. The inoculated controls
died and the controls which were not inoculated were not affected.
113. Quest: About how many
experiments of this kind did you make?
Ans: 50,000 animal tests and 400
test tubes daily on my experiments.
114. Quest: Over about what period
of time did you conduct these experiments?
Ans: 26 years
115. Quest: Did you find, from
these experiments, that it made any difference which particular frequency you
used in the treatment of any certain disease?
116. Quest: Did any disease
respond exactly the same to all frequencies, or a wide variety of frequencies?
If so, which one?
117. Quest: Were you able to
determine whether each kind of bacteria or virus which you tested was affected
most by some particular frequency?
118. Quest: What happened when you
used a different frequency on it?
Ans: It was not affected.
119. Quest: Did you make a moving
picture showing the interior of your laboratory and some of its equipment?
120. Quest: Did this moving
picture also show some of your experimental work on laboratory animals?
Ans: Yes. Some cancer work is
121. Quest: In this moving
picture, who is the person shown performing surgical operations on laboratory
Ans: I performed all surgery at
the Rife Research Laboratory.
122. Quest: Who now has this
moving picture? Did you give it to him?
Ans: John Crane. Yes.
123. Quest: Did you ever explain
to John F. Crane, one of the defendants in this case, the principles upon which
your electronic frequency-generator is used in the treatment of disease?
Ans: Yes in 1950.
124. Quest: Did you also inform
him of the particular frequencies which you had found to be effective in the
treatment of various diseases?
Ans: Yes. Vern Thompson and I gave
the frequencies to John Crane.
125. Quest: When did you furnish
him this information?
Ans: In 1950
126. Quest: Did you ever request
any governmental department or agency to make a test of your electronic
frequency-generator to determine its effect upon diseases? If so, which one or
Ans: Yes. The Department of
Health, Education and Welfare and the National Research Council, Committee on
Growth, Washington DC, The American Cancer Society, The Damon Runyon Fund, The
Sloan Kettering Institute, The International Cancer Clinic and many others. They
have shown no interest in an electronic method.
127. Quest: Did any one of them
express willingness to make such a test or even to observe such a test? If so,
Ans: Yes. The American Cancer
Society was interested until they found out that John Crane and I are not
medical doctors and then they called John Crane from New York and stated that
they had decided to cancel the proposed project which would have shown them how
to isolate the virus, make it virulent, grow the cancer tumors and how to
electronically eliminate the cancer. They spend millions on drugs but nothing on
electronics unless it will supplement drugs like x-ray and radioactive
treatments which put terrible scar tissue and burns inside the body and then the
person has to have a great amount of dope and painkillers to keep the pain down.
The drug racketeer makes ten billion dollars annually on cancer alone and with
this money they have been able to have an unconstitutional law put on the books
which stated that people will only be treated for cancer by medical doctors with
x-ray, radioactive treatments, and surgery creating a drug monopoly to kill
128. Quest: Did any one of them
ever actually make a test of your electronic-frequency generator, using the
frequencies which you had found to be effective, so far as you know?
129. Quest: Did you ever request
any medical school to make a test of your electronic-frequency generator, using
the frequencies which you had found to be effective?
130. Quest: Other than the work of
the special committee under Dr. Milbank Johnson, did any medical school express
a willingness to make such a test?
Ans: Yes. Work was done at the
Hooper Foundation of the University of California and at the Northwestern
University Medical School in Chicago by Ernest Lynwood Walker and Arthur I.
131. Quest: Did you ever request
any medical society to make a test of your electronic-frequency generator, using
the frequencies which you had found to be effective? If so, which one or ones?
Ans: Yes. The American Medical
132. Quest: Did any medical
society express a willingness to make, or even to observe such a test?
133. Quest: So far as you know,
has any medical society ever made a test of your electronic frequency-generator,
using the frequencies which you had found effective?
134. Quest: Have you ever made or
observed a test of the effect of the electronic frequency-generator, of the type
produced by John F. Crane, one of the defendants in this case? If so, tell us
the kind of test or tests, who made such test or tests, and what result you
Ans: Yes. I saw the instrument
kill earthworms, bacillus coli and others. I showed John Crane how to accomplish
135. Quest: Have you ever been
awarded a research fellowship in biochemistry by any nationally-known institute
for scientific research?
136. Quest: What is the name of
Ans: Andean Anthropological
137. Quest: Is this a copy of the
award, together with a copy of the covering letter or transmittal from the
Andean Anthropological Expedition? (Attached as defendant’s exhibit C)